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Re: [sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies

by Andrew

Totally sent this from the wrong email. So bringing it back to the list. I think it basically boils down to homophobia ie. "who will show up if they might see a naked man"?.... Our answer: people who truely unstand sexuality as more than just hetero men getting what they want. On May 4, 2013 7:43 PM, "Romy Ilano" <romy(a)snowyla.com> wrote: > i've nEVER met anyone holding an erotic event who made the male and > stripper female ratio equal > > that is such a no-brainer to me. i don't understand why people don't do > that > > if businessmen go to lunch around strippers, why can't it be 50% hot male > strippers and 50%hot female strippers? that would make the world so much > easier to deal with. > > you rule! > > > On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Romy Ilano <romy(a)snowyla.com> wrote: > >> andrew that last commentw as so rad! that's cool. =D >> >> that's the kind of erotic event i'd be into >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> >> Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies >> To: Andrew <andrew(a)vagabondballroom.com> >> Cc: Sudo Room discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> >> >> >> Or less representation of sex altogether. What does anyone need porn for? >> On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew" <andrew(a)vagabondballroom.com> wrote: >> >>> When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made it a point to >>> balence genders as much as possible. We had male and female co-hosts and >>> male and female strippers. >>> >>> Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are more than two genders. >>> In my mind objectification is not the issue. Representation is. Porn is >>> mostly filmed from a hetero-cis-male perspective and because of that, taken >>> as a whole, is exploitive. There is porn that fights this perspective and >>> representation of sex and there needs to be more. >>> On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Can I get a link for this gonorreah story? >>>> On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01(a)att.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Romy & Yo's- >>>>> >>>>> Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off." >>>>> >>>>> Wow. Thanks for pointing that out. I never noticed that before (OTOH >>>>> attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get my attention), >>>>> but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that somewhere. >>>>> >>>>> I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and objectifying as >>>>> hell, unless there's a very good reason for taking a photo that way >>>>> (e.g. medical contexts). Being looked at "that way" produces the >>>>> creepy >>>>> feeling that the looker's intentions are non-consensual. >>>>> >>>>> The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in clothing >>>>> ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this, and we don't >>>>> want >>>>> to risk putting you off by showing a face that's substantially >>>>> different >>>>> to yours, so imagine your face on this person's body." But it would be >>>>> foolish to think that's what's intended every time that photographic >>>>> method is used. >>>>> >>>>> This brings up the question of what people find sexy in photography. >>>>> For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a non-starter: there's no >>>>> cue >>>>> for communication with the person. Nudes in general don't do it >>>>> either: >>>>> all the usual contextual cues as to someone's personality are missing, >>>>> so why would I even begin to imagine being in an intimate context with >>>>> someone I don't really know? I've always felt that way but now we have >>>>> the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general it's not a good idea to >>>>> get >>>>> intimate with someone you don't know very well, because the outcome >>>>> could be a life-threatening illness. >>>>> >>>>> For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is loose >>>>> in >>>>> the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and can kill you in a >>>>> matter of days through a raging bacterial infection, it's probably a >>>>> darn good idea for everyone to "get smart & play safe" ALL the time, >>>>> zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV. In which case photography >>>>> that portrays an objectified sexuality without communications isn't >>>>> just >>>>> gross and exploitative, it's a public health hazard that reinforces >>>>> attitudes that put people at risk for their lives. >>>>> >>>>> -G. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ===== >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote: >>>>> > It's interesting to me how porn a >>>>> > Nd erotica always advertise with women's bodies with their faces cut >>>>> off >>>>> > American apparel digs this etc >>>>> > Lots of art theory discusses this >>>>> > >>>>> > I would love for any Sudo room event to break the mold and show >>>>> men's bodies in any erotic theme as well ... Also would love to see the >>>>> male body as the focus of any erotic film or dance to balance out the >>>>> Imbalance and unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the porn industry >>>>> > >>>>> > Sent from my iPad >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >> >

13 years, 5 months

report from last week's east bay sound art project> tilo made music!!! yeah!

by Romy Ilano

Did you know that we have a monthly east bay sound art meetup? usually sundays. Did you know that we actually collaborated and tilo interpreted a mormon song and put it online? https://soundcloud.com/tilotilo511/god-be-with-you-until-we-meet ====== >>>> ====== ====== there's a new wiki page on it! <3 https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/East_Bay_Sound_Art_Meetup Here's the minutes from the last meeting: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/EastBaySoundArtMeetup_Minutes_2013-04-28

13 years, 5 months

giant whiteboard?

by Yardena Cohen

Are there any objections to me hanging that giant whiteboard up on the common wall to the left of sudoroom? It would go in the place of the corkboard, which I would then mount vertically to the right of sudoroom, behind that weird curvy art shelf thing. I have heard the Community Democracy Project like to mount it on an easel for their meetings. But I haven't actually gotten a clear answer about whether the wall mounting would work for them. Thanks!

13 years, 5 months

educational kits from ewaste / donations ... inspiration from raft

by Romy Ilano

http://www.raftstore.net/index.php?route=product/search&filter_tag=Grade%20… my nerd friend kim is visiting... she used to volunteer at a non-profit called RAFT. They take donations of office supplies, e-waste from tech companies in the Bay Area and create low-cost kits sold to schools (teachers). these kits teach STEM skills (math, science, etc) in a fun and interesting way. they also weave art as well. --> this would be another potentially interesting, fun, honorable way for SudoRoom to acquire funds. similar to the electronics and biohacking DIY kits... many have children, many are teachers... we have patrick, who is into polymer clay teaching toys... we have hacking sexual health... throwing the idea out there.

13 years, 5 months

tamale opens the door again!

by William Budington

Friends! Let's all thank Jake for doing an awesome job getting the locking mechanism working again with our tamale raspi! Now we can get into the space without having a physical key. Ease of access is the first step in making sudoroom open to the hacker community at large. Thanks Jake!! Getting in: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/Door_Access#Inside_Door Bill

13 years, 5 months

"Money and Life" Screening @ sudo room for First Fridays tonight at 8pm

by Matthew Senate

Join us at 2141 Broadway, entrance on 22nd St in downtown Oakland. Please share with your friends to enjoy wonderful refreshments and an awesome documentary! // Matt

13 years, 5 months

Sudoroom open Saturday morning

by Romy Snowyla

I'm here right now with Patrick I am happy when people are here early I'm the morning Thinking of putting a green light on the homepage so that its obvious to visitors we are here and they can buzz in Also Saturday after art murmur is officially an art gallery day for people with morning hours and kids etc Sent from my iPad

13 years, 5 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] cuddling it

by Yardena Cohen

> "killing it" I don't work the kind of industry jobs where I'd ever meet people who use phrases like this to mean the things you're talking about, and while sometimes I complain about not making industry money, it's nice to be reminded of the upside. > Doesn't the civilized psyche secretly crave the things it sets itself apart from and > gives up and projects on its image of the noble savage though? I'm sorry, I respect you Anthony, but someone mentioning AAVE really isn't the time to start meditating on the ideas of civilization and savage. It really isn't. I am still perplexed in my attempt to interpret that as anything other than racist, and the replies about hip-hop and "gangsters" aren't really helping me. Is it really necessary to remind some of you that the words "African American" include people in your own hacker/maker communities, rather than this bizarre dreamscape of philosophical Others? Really? > a bunch of nerds (conventionally thought of as white) are engaging in some kind > of outsider-critique of someone else's community (black). I'm sorry George, I respect you but I can come up with nothing but profanity in response to this sentence. I will try again in 24 hours.

13 years, 5 months

the "Liberator": 3D-printable CAD gun files

by Eddan Katz

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/03/this-is-the-worlds-fir… This Is The World's First Entirely 3D-Printed Gun (Photos) ... Early next week, Wilson, a 25-year University of Texas law student and founder of the non-profit group Defense Distributed, plans to release the 3D-printable CAD files for a gun he calls “the Liberator,” pictured in its initial form above. He’s agreed to let me document the process of the gun’s creation, so long as I don’t publish details of its mechanics or its testing until it’s been proven to work reliably and the file has been uploaded to Defense Distributed’s online collection of printable gun blueprints at Defcad.org. All sixteen pieces of the Liberator prototype were printed in ABS plastic with a Dimension SST printer from 3D printing company Stratasys, with the exception of a single nail that’s used as a firing pin. The gun is designed to fire standard handgun rounds, using interchangeable barrels for different calibers of ammunition. ...

13 years, 5 months

WHEN AN UNREGISTERED # calls

by Troy

WHEN AN UNREGISTERED # calls "Henderson Morgue. You stab em. we slab em. Eight ball speaking" Nashville sperm bank. you squeeze it we freeze it.How may I help you? "You are the source of Freedom : the price of Freedom is awareness and action"

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