great idea mary. we are not perfect judges & could libel someone
inadvertently. ~r
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Mary Ward <maryhbw(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> I am concerned about posting peoples faces publicly on the Omni site. I
> suggest a physical book on the premises instead. The reasons for this are
> due to the slanderous nature of publicly posted bans and that most of those
> who were banned are banned without due process.
>
> I realize that the space must be policed in order to function, but I think
> we should think about the rights of the banned persons because they are
> people with feelings, too.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mary Ward
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:34 PM, niki <niki.shelley(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> These concerns (access to space, Omni membership, etc.) are ones that I
>> imagine will be addressed in the upcoming visioning / planning process.
>>
>> It's my understanding that this process could potentially result in a
>> more top-down restructuring of the management of the Omni with little to no
>> required buy-in from the individual collectives.
>>
>> I am not a part of the visioning / planning facilitation team so I don't
>> know too much about what's been discussed thus far but people who are
>> interested in what the future of the Omni looks like, organizationally,
>> should participate in this process.
>>
>> N
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Robb Anonymous <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> there seems to be ambiguity about james moon's ban, to wit: i was
>>> informed that his membership was block but that he was not ever banned. if
>>> i was misinformed please clarify.
>>>
>>> as to jeremy, *the senate* ;) told me he had some issues a while back
>>> (online abusive rants?) and that his membership was questionable.
>>>
>>> is it ok to take someone's photo if they are about to be asked to leave
>>> or banned?
>>>
>>> @jake, your concern for people burning out who have to deal with this
>>> stuff is greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> thx yar, i will register with omni-discuss & omni-mediation so i can tx
>>> the most appropriate lists.
>>> ~r
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i think we need to work on more practical and effective ways to keep
>>>> the space free of banned persons at all times.
>>>>
>>>> what can people do when a banned person repeatedly returns whenever
>>>> they feel like they can get in? there are no consequences for trying.
>>>>
>>>> I know that we do not call police for these types of issues, but what
>>>> about telling people that if they return again, the police will be called
>>>> and they will not know it until a cop shows up to grab them?
>>>>
>>>> Does that go against our values? If so, what is a reasonable motivator
>>>> to get people to stop returning all the time?
>>>>
>>>> If the response is "we just need to keep leaning on members and
>>>> volunteers to constantly beg trespassers to leave again" i fear that we are
>>>> going to burn people out faster than we can replace them.
>>>>
>>>> -jake
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, Stephen Whitmore wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if you're aware of it, but Omni/sudo
>>>>> has https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Asked_to_Leave. Photograph existence
>>>>> varies wildly, of
>>>>> course.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah - so he was already banned anyway, but was still coming in?
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, I have a really hard time putting names to faces. It
>>>>> would be
>>>>> extremely useful if we actually had photographs of the people
>>>>> that are
>>>>> banned, similar to noisebridges 86 page. That way we might
>>>>> actually have some
>>>>> hope of enforcing the bans already in place...
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2015 1:15 PM, "yar" <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:10 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > hackerspace inside the Omni, and it sounds like the
>>>>> people
>>>>> involved
>>>>> > were not Sudoroom members nor did they claim to be, and
>>>>> the
>>>>> events
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I stand corrected, James Moon applied to be a
>>>>> Sudoroom
>>>>> member
>>>>> a couple months ago, before he went on a yelling spree that
>>>>> scared a
>>>>> bunch of people away, and was then blocked from membership
>>>>> and
>>>>> banned.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org
>> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
>
late last night, i had to ban ian moon for verbally & physically
threatening(cane) james moon with a weapon (moon vs moon, lol).
it took about 45 min. to actually get him out of the building & then he got
back in w/jeremy (sudoroom member).
he said that he would be back in 2 weeks & there was nothing we could do to
keep him out of the building when he returns.
i feel like i should just start an omni non-member bullshit blog so as not
to tax our mail server.
~r
https://github.com/sudoroom/robot-arm-art
we have a bunch of code on the github.
Even a little stuff added, like extra photographs, links would be helpful.
=D
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Romy Ilano
romy(a)snowyla.com
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Robb Anonymous <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> i feel like i should just start an omni non-member bullshit blog so as not
> to tax our mail server.
There's already an omni-mediation list and an omni-discuss list. I
think sudo-discuss is NOT the place for this. Sudoroom is just a
hackerspace inside the Omni, and it sounds like the people involved
were not Sudoroom members nor did they claim to be, and the events did
not happen inside Sudoroom.
https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/mediationhttps://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss
sudofriends,
This is just an FYI, that foolsFury Theater Co. is renting the Disco room
for rehearsals many nights throughout the next month or so, and they will
be using one of the trunk lockers on the north west end of sudoroom. Yar
said it was okay. They will donate to sudoroom in return shortly.
Just letting folks know in case they see strangers walking through. They
are friendly. Say hello if you feel inclined.
Love,
Julio
i am really tired of playing cat-n-mouse w/the outside doors at the omni.
a day or two ago i told jerome that i would be moving for a permanent ban
on whoever i discovered was propping the doors open.
after i let jerome in the building this morning, i discovered that jerome
had left the shattuck side/ballroom door open so i asked him "what the
fuck" he left the door open for.
rather than answer my question he took offense at my tone (understandably
as i was angry) got in my face pointing and tried to start a fight with me
with
i get that jerome helps out around here but leaving the doors open for
anyone to walk in at anytime completely negates the occasional floor
mopping that he does, imho.
i will not be letting jerome in anytime soon
~r
as i am on a temp hiatus from enforcing our building policy until i feel i
am being supported in same, i declined to wake, ian moon (non-member), or
ask him to leave when i found him sleeping in backspace this morning.
matt, kelley & brenden were in sudoroom when i left last night. not sure if
he was allowed to stay somehow or if he just got back in...upstairs corner
window (by til) was open and ppl know how to climb in.
whoever closes the building needs to remember to close the window too.
btw, shattuck door was open this morning but it was the first time in days
that i found the shattuck door or the discoroom door open which is actually
very good news
~r
Hi I was in the space last night (Friday) on the tail end of the Linux
install fest fridays.Lately fridays have been kind of dead. I think
Thursday is our most happening night, and usually the Omni is pretty empty
on Friday.
There were some cool guests dropping by, and from what i heard they were
ready to go, but they seemed let down by the lack of people and activity. i
don't think they said it out loud.
I'm wondering: what do you think? Should we move installfest to the
Thursday party night? that might also interfere with the javascript evening.
Or should we rephrase the Friday night expectations so that people don't
expect it to be this organized, orderly event? I think the thursdays are
more of a hangout night, and there are other groups there Thursday but
Friday not so much.
I'm fine going there and hacking in peace and quiet. But I don't want
people to leave disappointed.
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Romy Ilano
romy(a)snowyla.com
