Congrats on forwarding this person's phone number to a public list and
while taking the time to remove the giant "DON'T DO EXACTLY THAT" text
at the bottom.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 20:10:17 -0800
From: roger.herried <roger.herried(a)sonic.net>
To: Jake <jake(a)spaz.org>
Subject: Re: [sudo-info] old card question
yes...
also if you have a hacker space that wants to get a stash of ancient computers
from the 70's on, I'm dismantling them for gold right now.
one of them was used by professor Erhlich (population bomb) that had a whopping
5 megabyte hard drive that cost $5k
old CIA laptop from eastern europe and other items...
roger
On 2/27/2022 3:11 PM, Jake wrote:
> Hi Roger, can I forward this email and your email address to our public
> discussion list?
>
> -jake
>
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022, roger.herried wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm a just dumped former manager of the Redstone Building over in SF that
>> used to be the home of Indymedia and a lot of other groups. We were trying
>> to setup a video news broadcast besides a pirate station that were taken
>> down. I'm still sitting on a mobile video camera set and was wondering if
>> you might be interested in that - have a few other things like an old
>> overhead projector etc.
>>
>> let me know if you want these items -
>>
>> roger
I can't always drop by the meetings (they conflict with my drawing group
nights and I tend to sleep early). But I'd like to come by one idea. It's
not very original, but just condense the discussion into a big drawing of
what we're doing and what we're aspiring to. I think even if it sounds
corny or almost like a powerpoint even the administrative stuff like
cleaning and management can be fun.
Oh here's a blast from the past - anthony repetto was a mathematician guy
who hung out at SudoROom, I remember he drew a big math formula on the
sidewalk near SudoROom and we photographed it.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/miromi/albums/72157657512309555
things like this are always so fun! its' a nice way of viewing math, I
think this would be a fun candidate for more of the light projection
experiments. So instead of chalk we could draw a math equation or animation
on the ground...
heh time to learn blender finally
=============================
Romy Ilano
romy(a)snowyla.com
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022, Andrew R Gross wrote:
> Ok, great. Do you know how to add it to the calendar?
i think it's with a WordPress login? I think Jenny knows how to do it?
lol you sent this to sudo-disucss(a)sudoroom.org
typo!
-jake
I got this idea to do light projection mappings. There's a lot of inspiring
stuff out there, and the last few weeks I've been at SudoRoom there's just
a lot of work around trying to figure out what equipment to get, what
creative ideas to get. It's been really fun.
I thought I'd share some sketches from my notebooks, because I'm just doing
lots of planning right now and bouncing ideas.
- * Starting small - There are a lot of possibilities but it's really
good to start small. I chatted with Marc + others about using portable pico
projectors to mount on bicycles for the bike party rides and at cosplay
events. Someone even mentioned having a projector in a wand!
- so many opportunities to craft a cool mount
- Making more of an effort to "cross fertilize" with the cool artists
that are still in Oakland. For example I was at the Drink and Draw at the
New Parkway (unfortunately happens on wednesday night meetings for me) and
ran into folks from the Rock Paper Scissors Collective (they're back) and a
lot of cartoonists! I wish I had gotten more of their art (i'll get it)
- For interacting with other artists, it'd probably fun to build a small
"Stage" with foamboard similar to what you see at science fair projects.
Came up with the idea for a small puppet theater
- Eventually would love to move to immersive environments (an entire
room). people love taking selfies in these places
I'd like to move to Blender eventually and make very sophisticated
experiments but it's good to do stuff off the wall and freehand using very
old projectors or my hand held pico projectors.
There are a lot of cool video and visual artists who have experimented with
light projections going way back into the 1970s and 1990s even, and while
the technology is important (man so many different cable formats to review
this month) it's really about what's presented and what you're trying to
get across. I'd like to do very technology-obvious projects but have been
making a point to look at indonesian and japanese puppetry as well.
As we jam we can involve more and more projectors and do really elaborate
things. It's just a matter of time and learning blender. I think it'd be
good to poopulate with the sudoroom blog wit the creative process as we
aren't just our stuff and classes, but also a creative space to highlight
the process of making something cool.
So this notebook will be part of it!
OK enough random thoughts. Maybe we can have our version of 5 minutes of
fame and do a show and tell!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/miromi/uk2egi
[image: image.jpeg]
[image: IMG_0006.JPG]
=============================
Romy Ilano
romy(a)snowyla.com
So I just updated the calendar - you have to log in through wordpress. Now
all the meetings begin at 8pm
The SudoRoom blog and website is in the process of being refreshed!
*Romy Mimi Ilano*
*romy.ilano(a)gmail.com <romy.ilano(a)gmail.com>*
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 5:20 PM Andrew R Gross <arg5029(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, great. Do you know how to add it to the calendar?
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 1:55 PM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
>
>> you're a sudoroom member. sudo means you can just do it! next week,
>> send out
>> an announcement saying the meeting is at 8 :) start the conversation
>> early,
>> get people excited, etc
>>
>> -jake
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022, Andrew R Gross wrote:
>>
>> > Those were both me. I was driving home and popped in after ending a
>> phone
>> > call, saw it was empty, then sent that email and jumped back in to check
>> > again before I got another call.
>> >
>> > I think we should move the meeting later. Speaking for myself,
>> attending in
>> > traffic is honestly difficult and dangerous. I don't think I'm the only
>> one
>> > who finds attending a meeting immediately after work hours end to be
>> > challenge.
>> >
>> > Can we try meeting at 8? Is there anyone who is available at 6 pm and
>> not 8?
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022, 7:48 PM ruin mechanic <ruinmechanic(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:54 PM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I just joined at 6:45pm and there was nobody in there, and the lights
>> in
>> >>> sudoroom appeared to be off.
>> >>>
>> >>> next time we need more of an announcement and excitement! and people
>> to
>> >>> hold
>> >>> space until someone joins.
>> >>>
>> >>> the log file for the mini-server that controls the monitor's power
>> >>> (~/ducks/ducks.log) has this to say:
>> >>> 2022-02-23 18:13:23.852867 OPEN
>> >>> 2022-02-23 18:14:58.334739 CLOSE
>> >>> 2022-02-23 18:15:34.013797 OPEN
>> >>> 2022-02-23 18:19:16.060908 CLOSE
>> >>> 2022-02-23 18:46:36.737439 OPEN
>> >>> 2022-02-23 18:48:35.887413 CLOSE
>> >>>
>> >>> OPEN means someone joined the room, so turn on the monitor
>> >>> CLOSE means the last person left the room, so turn off the monitor.
>> >>>
>> >>> That almost suggests that the first person who joined at 6:13PM left
>> just
>> >>> 36
>> >>> seconds before another person joined!!! be more patient, people!
>> >>>
>> >>> that second person waited 3:42 (although i'm sure it seemed like an
>> >>> eternity)
>> >>>
>> >>> and apparently I waited a whole 1:59
>> >>>
>> >>> -jake
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022, Andrew R Gross wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hey everyone! Is there a meeting tonight? I went to the video chat
>> link
>> >>> and
>> >>>> didn’t see anyone.--
>> >>>> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
>> >>>> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
>> >>>>
>> >>> NOTE: emails to the Info list were sent to an individual email address
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>> >>> include personal information which the sender would not have sent to a
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>> >>> public list, please take great care to REMOVE SENSITIVE INFORMATION!
>> >>>
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>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>
> --
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>
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Over the years I have removed 30 contractor bags of electronic waste from sudo room.
Sudo is now once again full, with every table obscured by it.
I’ve tried to say that electronics donations are great, as long as we have intention for what to do with them, a place for the stuff we want, and a process for immediately getting rid of what we don’t want. But, this is not what we are experiencing.
I’m no longer strong enough to keep cleaning up, and some of the e-waste that shows up is genuinely dangerous, like a UV laser that appears to have given me vascular tumors.
Appear benign, but, punching a hole in my genome has really kicked my survival instinct into high gear and I don’t want anything to do with e waste anymore.
We need a new plan…
-Joule (Adam)
Come celebrate twosday 2/22/22 with some hardware hacking at sudo room
tonight!
We'll be starting at 6pm and going until at least 22:22
You can also poke your virtual head into the space using:
https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles
Reminder that Omni is still requiring masks
See you tonight!
---
marc/juul
Hey all,
I want to make JS Thursdays a thing again for Sudoroom. Could folks help me
to get the word out and/or help me run it? I figure I'll go to the space
each Thurs evening and be available virtually for people who can't be there
in person. The intention of this will be to help people who are learning
JavaScript or working on some JS project that they'd like help with. If
anyone has tips or can assist in any way I'd appreciate it!
Thanks,
Charles
I'm out of town this week, so I won't be in the space on Tuesday or Wednesday.
does someone else want to host Tuesday?
-jake
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss wrote:
> Since no one has expressed interest in coming to Sudo tonight, I'm going to
> scratch my plan to come in tonight and suggest we discuss this at
> Wednesday's meeting.
>
> Can we discuss this at 8:30 PM? That's the earliest I can reliably come
> into the space.
>
> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 2:47 PM Andrew R Gross <arg5029(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I will definitely make the meeting tomorrow night hybrid. And I don't
>> think we'll make any irreversible decisions, so no one who misses it will
>> be left behind.
>>
>> *Just join at the usual address tomorrow, Monday February 21st at 8:30
>> PM: https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles
>> <https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles>*
>>
>> I agree that it's useful to recognize the sensitivity of this issue, and I
>> agree that we can definitely take some big bites out of the problem right
>> away without undermining anyone's vision.
>>
>> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
>> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 1:09 PM David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just wanted to say this thread feels like a really central and helpful
>>> group discussion, and it’s great to see this visioning around sudo,
>>> hackerspaces, and their relation between stuff and humans.
>>>
>>> A meeting to discuss more sounds good and will do my best to be
>>> available, though I can’t yet confirm :/ Might it be possible to schedule a
>>> virtual meeting, which might make it easier for folks given short notice?
>>>
>>> I also wanted to acknowledge that there are some deep feelings around
>>> this topic and so we should all make an extra hard effort to *not* take
>>> different views personally and to remember that everyone probably shares
>>> the same ultimate goal of how to make sudo more inviting and lively.
>>>
>>> Imo it’s not so much about choosing between ‘empty yoga studio’ vs
>>> ‘hoarders paradise’ approaches as two opposing extremes, as much as
>>> deciding on what a reasonable balance is? by perhaps defining some minimal
>>> standards and routines.
>>>
>>> Since standards decided upon can always be changed later, we might
>>> embrace new approaches like the experiment that they are, without them
>>> feeling too fraught or set in stone, a la the ‘RERO’ truism (release early,
>>> release often). By the same token the earlier hacker truism that seems far
>>> less in vogue these days, but I think particularly relevant to our approach
>>> here about structuring space, is GIGO (garbage in, garbage out).
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 07:36 Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss <
>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to discuss this in real-time, ideally face to face, for
>>>> those available. *Who can join me tomorrow (Monday) night at 8:30 pm?*
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022, 9:21 PM Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss <
>>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is a lot of talk about what policy changes should be made, and
>>>>> what Sudo *should not* be like. I think consensus works best when you go
>>>>> from current situation > future situation > goals/motives > plans >
>>>>> execution.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, having more or less established that the current situation is not
>>>>> ideal, could we talk about what SudoRoom *should be* in the future? If
>>>>> people can agree on that, I think the policies might be more clear.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, a hackerspace is useful because it has a bunch of great people
>>>>> and tools and materials that I don’t have access to at my own home.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) I can learn things from people, whether through casual interactions,
>>>>> shared projects, and/or organized classes
>>>>> 2) Sharing tools and space, and acquiring materials in bulk means
>>>>> everyone can have cheaper access overall
>>>>> 3) The community energy is inspiring and focusing. I want to do cool
>>>>> things when I’m hanging with people who do cool things.
>>>>> 4-?) ??? add your thing here
>>>>>
>>>>> In terms of motives, goals, fears, etc:
>>>>>
>>>>> If I understand correctly, Jake is saying that curating tools and
>>>>> materials is an important function of a Hackerspace — i.e. to enable (2) —
>>>>> and that doing so requires significant effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, if I understand correctly, Yar, Andrew, and others are saying
>>>>> that a cluttered space inhibits (1) and (3).
>>>>>
>>>>> To add a fear of my own: materials (and to a lesser extent tools, which
>>>>> are often consumable — drill bits, grinding wheels, etc.) cost money/time,
>>>>> and are often not maintained/replaced when they’re shared.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems like the solution is to decide on a vision for what future
>>>>> SudoRoom should be like. If you show up at SudoRoom on any given day, what
>>>>> tools, materials, and people would you want to have access to? If we agree
>>>>> on that, the plan should be easier to come up with, and people will be more
>>>>> motivated to actually do it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2022, at 15:19, Jake via sudo-discuss <
>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022, Alexander Papazoglou wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have any concrete suggestions other than finding a way to
>>>>> make
>>>>>>> stuff transit though sudoroom in a more orderly fashion. Like with
>>>>> planned
>>>>>>> events, maybe in concert with other hackerspaces. But I'm probably
>>>>> just
>>>>>>> echoing Joule's sentiments there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I listed concrete suggestions: I said "come and get involved, spend
>>>>> time
>>>>>> understanding what we have and why, and make an impact."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I think saying that people who don't like the space as it
>>>>> is should
>>>>>>> just go elsewhere is not good policy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand that that's what people are interpreting from my email,
>>>>> and that
>>>>>> is not what I meant. I tried to be clear but I realize that it
>>>>> didn't work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was saying that people who want an empty room should not try to
>>>>> make sudoroom
>>>>>> into an empty room. There are other places for that, and I support
>>>>> that, but
>>>>>> like I said, sudoroom (to me) is a place where we have tools and
>>>>> materials in
>>>>>> addition to clear and clean workspace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I wish that people didn't interpret my email as telling people
>>>>> not to come
>>>>>> to the space, when I repeatedly and clearly said that what we need is
>>>>> for
>>>>>> people to come to the space and help make it better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Firstly it's exclusionary whereas the spirit of the space is meant
>>>>> to be as
>>>>>>> inclusive as reasonably possible, and secondly it selects for people
>>>>> who have
>>>>>>> high clutter, disgust and hazard tolerance thresholds. While I score
>>>>> high on
>>>>>>> those metrics, I would like the space to be open to people who
>>>>> don't, and I
>>>>>>> think we would benefit from having members on that side of the
>>>>> "spectrum". We
>>>>>>> don't need to make it a yoga studio, but it can be more like an
>>>>> organized
>>>>>>> shop, can't it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes, I agree with you 100%. And I think that the way to get there is
>>>>> for more
>>>>>> people to come to the space and contribute to making it nicer. You
>>>>> and I have
>>>>>> already been doing that and we will continue to do it. I am planning
>>>>> to do a
>>>>>> large e-waste run soon (in the next couple of weeks) and I put work
>>>>> into
>>>>>> preparing that every tuesday night after people leave.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand that my previous email was pretty long and didn't
>>>>> succeed in
>>>>>> getting through what I was trying to say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that it would be really nice to have the space clean and
>>>>> organized and
>>>>>> inviting, and the way we will do that is by people coming into the
>>>>> space and
>>>>>> cleaning and organizing it. There is no substitute for that, and
>>>>> people who
>>>>>> think that turning away donations (which have supplied literally
>>>>> everything in
>>>>>> sudoroom) are mistaken, and their suggestions harm us and don't help
>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -jake
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 12:24 AM Jake via sudo-discuss <
>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see what I feel are pretty harsh condemnations of something I
>>>>> think is an
>>>>>>>> important part of hackerspaces/makerspaces like our sudoroom.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been hosting tuesday nights at sudoroom for a while now, and
>>>>> trying to
>>>>>>>> get people back into coming to the space and making use of it. We
>>>>> make use
>>>>>>>> of a lot of different tools and supplies in the space, to build
>>>>> things,
>>>>>>>> repair things, and ideate. We also make use of swaths of blank
>>>>> space on the
>>>>>>>> tables.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is a spectrum of interest in the kind of hardware tools and
>>>>> materials
>>>>>>>> we have in sudoroom. Some people are very comfortable surrounded
>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>> many kinds of electronic and other bits we have, even though
>>>>> they're far
>>>>>>>> from organized the way we would like them to be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Other people have zero interest, and would be most at home in an
>>>>> empty room
>>>>>>>> with nothing but clean blank tables, good even lighting, and no
>>>>> visual
>>>>>>>> clutter, like a nice yoga studio. Those people should definitely
>>>>> have that,
>>>>>>>> and I encourage them to start with the disco room! It's almost
>>>>> there,
>>>>>>>> although the floor is a little too "busy" but it could be coated
>>>>> with carpet
>>>>>>>> or something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be a mistake for the second kind of people to entirely
>>>>> fail to
>>>>>>>> understand the value of the materials we have, when the real issue
>>>>> is that
>>>>>>>> we've faced a lack of human resources to curate the space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> materials, computers, monitors, TVBGones, monitors, soldering irons,
>>>>>>>> monitors, printers, broken laptops, power supplies, oscilloscopes,
>>>>> 3D
>>>>>>>> printers, and random stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Literally everything in sudoroom at this point has been a donation:
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> laser cutter, the tables, the light fixtures over the north half of
>>>>> the room
>>>>>>>> (I salvaged them from an abandoned building, brought them and
>>>>> helped install
>>>>>>>> them)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes, we get a lot of stuff that is not something we want to keep.
>>>>> The first
>>>>>>>> thing that comes to mind is "printers" but a notable exception was
>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> recently Hilary was able to score a useful and working printer from
>>>>> the main
>>>>>>>> tables that had been dropped off just a few weeks earlier, by one of
>>>>>>>> Sudoroom's long-lost co-founders.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What keeps Sudoroom from being unusable due to too much clutter, as
>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> people have reasonably claimed about the space recently? A lack of
>>>>>>>> contributing effort. Joule contributed tons of effort in the past,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> hauled off lots of stuff (although they are also the source of many
>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> we still have)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been putting hours every tuesday night (after others go
>>>>> home) sorting
>>>>>>>> what we have, cleaning up, and preparing to make a big e-waste
>>>>> run. I've
>>>>>>>> also given away lots of "donations" to people who would give them a
>>>>> good
>>>>>>>> home, and i've even sold a few things (all money goes to sudoroom)
>>>>> and i'll
>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today, perhaps thanks to my encouragement, Ian gathered our huge
>>>>> excess of
>>>>>>>> monitors and sorted them according to which ones we should keep,
>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>> rest of them will be donated to https://techexchange.org which is
>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> organization that distributes computers to low-income families in
>>>>> Oakland.
>>>>>>>> Why didn't our excess of monitors get donated to them sooner?
>>>>> Because it
>>>>>>>> requires human labor, and the pandemic has had us basically closed
>>>>> for two
>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want to help sudoroom be a better place; less cluttered, more
>>>>>>>> inviting, then come and get involved, spend time understanding what
>>>>> we have
>>>>>>>> and why, and make an impact. But please don't be reactionary and
>>>>> wish for a
>>>>>>>> blank and empty space, or whatever minimalist vision you have in
>>>>> mind that
>>>>>>>> doesn't align with the spirit of material hacking and creativity
>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>> space was founded on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -jake
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